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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 11:51:38 -
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Brodit wrote:Okay. I'm down with the f2p aspect of this but your application of clone types is short sighted.
I have 6 chars spread over 2 accounts, and because I like to multi-box occasionally I have spent the last few years giving the alts some useful skills. Cloaking/Mining/Scanning/Combat and PI (I notice that alphas cannot do PI) They have been contributing in their own way to this game, for some, as long as 10 years. Okay they are not overwhelmed with skill points ranging between 450k to 30M sps but your proposal effectively neuters them. The Primary chars will be the Omega chars by default, and the alts on each account will become Alphas. No cloaking or PI and limited everything else. Cheers.
I'm not even sure there is a work around. If alt A wants to initiate PI, do I have to change them to omega clone then set the PI. If I then log on alt B make them Omega, will it halt the PI of alt A.
If your going down this route, I want a 3rd clone state. If an account is active (plex/sub'd) *Omega and Theta clones are in effect.
If an account is inactive (no plex/sub'd) clones are alpha.
Revised States
Omega clone. Active skill training. All Skills.
Theta clone. No skill training. All Skills.
Alpha clone. Reduced skill training. Reduced skills.
That is all.
i think you have misunderstood
ccp calling them alpha and omega clones is actually incorrect and may cause confusion
its actually alpha and omega accounts not clones
in otherwords
an unsubbed/nonplexed account is alpha - limited skills on all toons linked to the account
a subbed/plexed account is omega - unlimited skills on all toons linked to the account
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 12:05:19 -
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if this goes ahead jf/freighter runs will get expensive real fast.
imagine uedema to niarja full of alpha account gankers. no freighter/jf will get through
step 1 bump freighter/jf
step 2 gank webber
step 3 gank freighter jf
lol
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 12:12:17 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:After thinking about this some more, I really think 99.9% of the issues with this idea revolve around people abusing alpha clones to scale alts in ways that haven't been thought out yet.
The way to solve this is to limit the number of alpha accounts belonging to a single human that can be simultaneously logged in to one. The problem here is that people are clever and just using a simple 1 account per PC check isn't sufficient in the days of people having multiple computers and VMs and containers (the real scary one because containers scale much better).
The way to achieve this is really to tie all characters to a human being (name, credit card number, street address, mobile phone number, etc). Make alpha players pay 1 USD/EUR via credit card to verify they are a real person. Make players do mobile phone verification via SMS text messages. Etc, etc, etc.
Then, completely scrap the concept of having multiple accounts. Every human gets exactly 1 account. This new account can have an unlimited number of alpha characters on it (or some large limit that CCP sets for database reasons). The new account also gets the ability to log in a single alpha character (ie 1 simultaneous login). Whenever you purchase a monthly subscription (plex, time card, monthly fee) you get the following: designate 3 characters on your account that are upgraded to omega clone and you get +1 simultaneous logins for omega clones. You can let people remap which characters are omega clones using a timer similar to the attribute remap timer.
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i have multiple paid accounts as do many players. by doing what you suggest you would end up killing off all our paid alt accounts, years of training have gone into them.
no to this. just limit alpha accounts like they do trial accounts only 1 per computer.
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 12:22:29 -
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CCP please add entoising mods to the list of banned skills for alpha accounts. it would break sov mechanics so badly.
the abuse of having thousands of alpha accounts training to entosis would make it impossible for anyone to hold sov.
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 13:10:14 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:
I think CCP should reduce the limitations of what alphas can do, as far as mining. Let them go crazy with exhumers, let them experience CODE and/or PVP, maybe they join the game or start a sub in order to train combat ships to fight back.
no alpha account exumers would just see a rise in botting in null sec.
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 13:12:16 -
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Volstruis wrote:
I stopped playing because I don't feel like the game is worth money anymore. Telling me I can login and can't even fit a PVP condor isn't going to suddenly inspire me to do so ...
Having to blow a plex like I did on 'checking out' how things are going is exactly what I could use Alpha for later. So far it isn't inspiring me to stay. Which seems to miss the point.
lol you could take up ganking for free
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 14:12:45 -
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one problem i see is that the gallente alpha characters will have a slight advantage over the other 3 races when it comes to industrials.
gallente have an industrial for each type.
1. 1x for ore hold
2. 1x for pi hold
3. 2x for cargo hold
4. 1x for ammo hold
the other races do not.
will ccp introduce industrial ships to do this for each of the other 3 races to balance it out?
also will alpha accounts be able to use a noctis?
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 14:17:28 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:OK everyone, what do you think of this:
One day of Omega clone activation: 200 Aurum.
This would be good for those who can only free up enough time for one or two play sessions a week. But I am not sure it would be good for the game.
no just buy a plex for omega status
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 14:43:51 -
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Major Trant wrote:Can I suggest CCP simplifies the list of what skills are available to each race's Alpha Clone to the following catagories:
- Common (which has the majority that are shared between them all)
- Amarr
- Caldari
- Gallente
- Minmatar
That way people can compare the differences between each race easier.
how i think alpha accounts should be restricted
1. all races can cross train so new players can get a proper taste of eve online but only upto cruiser and medium sized weapons at level 3
2. restrict the max skill level for alphas to 3 for all the primary skills - max level 5 for drone operation skill but max level 4 for all other drone related skills. cannot train heavy drones or fighters (to stop people using geckos)
3. make all t2 models require level 4 or higher
4. make all bc or larger ships require spaceship command 4
5. make all t2/t3 ships require at least 1 level 5 skill
6. mining barges/exumers/orca/freighters/jf/capitals cannot be used on alpha accounts
7. entosis, cloak, and cyno mods cannot be used on alpha accounts
8. pi is limited to level 2 command centers and level 2 inter planetary and level 2 remote sensing (max 3 pi colonies)
9. only one alpha account per computer can log in at any one time
10. alpha accounts can train mining frig 2
11. alpha accounts cannot create corporations or alliances but can join existing ones however they cannot be ceo of an existing corp or alliance.
12. alpha accounts cannot anchor structures larger than MTU or Mobile Depot
13. alpha accounts cannot assign/drones to other players
14. alpha accounts cannot do t2 invention/copy blueprints etc
15. alpha accounts cannot build t2/t3 or capital ships
16. alpha accounts cannot have more than 5 buy orders or 10 sell orders at any one time.
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2016.09.01 15:05:48 -
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Dread Red wrote:
My goodness and I thought only Amarr toons loved slavery.
I think the fear that is making so many cry out for an ever expanding list of restrictions is something CCP would be foolish to accept. Forced green in high sec is contrary to the love of ganking CCP clearly has, you don't have to like reality but you should face it honestly. CCP wants a game of violent exploding spaceships by ever increasing in size fleets, it's what they have made their claim to fame on. Expecting them to lure a new crop of players in and then restrict them from helping realize that is naive at best.
i think its only fair that if you want to go to route of suicide ganking you should pay for the game. otherwise you drive out all the paying players that like to mine or do indy stuff in high sec
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